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Video of slain family members banned on youtube and facebook
While youtube doesn’t mind hosting videos of Al Qaeda and literally hundreds of pro-terror videos calling for violent jihad and showing images of beheadings for instance, as is so often documented and condemned over at the Jawa Report, within two hours of its being uploaded this video report of the massacre of the Fogel family was banned by youtube. (Open this post to watch the video:
. Facebook, which is allowing a page calling for a third intifada and wholesale murder of Jews (with more than 140,000 members on it), also banned the video.
. Facebook, which is allowing a page calling for a third intifada and wholesale murder of Jews (with more than 140,000 members on it), also banned the video. Something is very wrong with this picture.
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about 2 years ago
Everyone who objects should drop their Facebook page.
about 2 years ago
Yael,
Ignoring the issue of whether it should be removed from YouTube for just a moment – I think that whilst the message of the video is an important one, it is abhorrent that the soundtrack comes from the Shindler’s List film. The Jews in the Holocaust were murdered because they were Jewish. Period. These Jews were murdered because of where they had settled primarily and the fact that they were Jewish was a secondary issue.
I know that some would – and do – question whether these people chose to take their family into danger, to settle on the West Bank which they know full well is an inflammatory move and is a dangerous area. They put their ideologies above the safety of their children. The land is not legally Israel’s and is still part of peace negotiations. They follow a religious ideology which is at odds with the modern political and social circumstances of the area.
I am a massive supporter of Israel and a self-confessed Zionist, but for the Israeli governement to suggest that it will use these murders as an excuse for further settlements is beyond outrageous.
And to return to the YouTube issue – of course it shouldn’t be removed – particularly if there is questionable content of a pro-Palestinian / anti-Israeli nature which remains.
about 2 years ago
I am never surprised at this sort of double standard.
And it just strengthens my belief that the Israeli government has to improve the message and begin to fight fire with fire.
Israel should fund its own You Tube type channel and a channel similar to Al Jazeera.
There are already many good non-Jewish and non-religious organizations that support Israel openly, publicly and staunchly.
One of those is the Ayn Rand Institute in California. Their CEO is a former member of Israeli Intelligence and they present a defense of Israel that is securely based offering a different perspective.
about 2 years ago
Devilish Advocate, you know as well as I do that it wouldn’t matter to the Arabs if it was in Tel Aviv that this massacre occured. The Fogel family was killed for the very fact that they were Jewish and it was only because they were in closer proximity to the Arabs of Israel than a Jewish family in Tel Aviv that they were targeted. Schindlers List was the PERFECT choice for this video
about 2 years ago
DA –and you would explain the buses blown up in Beer Sheva and Tel Aviv and Haifa as attacks on…what? What about the woman stabbed to death on the minibus last year in Petak Tikva? How about the people killed by the bulldozer terrorists in West Jerusalem? This family was killed because this is where they had access. The fence has largely prevented access to killing people in the center and so now they take their victims where they can reach them.
about 2 years ago
This little family was murdered viciously and this was celebrated so happily by too many Palestinians BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWISH. They were Jewish and the terrorists could get their hands on them.
about 2 years ago
Sorry DA, I know you mean well, but if you have any doubt this family was murdered for any other reason than because they were Jewish, please follow this link below.
I’m not a big fan of the settlements, but at this point, it’s not the settlement that prevent peace. There is no peace because the Palestinians do not accept that Jewish have legitimate political rights anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.
Just as there is no escape from this conflict without recognizing Palestinian political rights, there’s no escape without the Palestinians recognizing Jewish rights, and that’s just not happening.
http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/metzer_Massacre.htm
about 2 years ago
Look, I am well aware that the Palestinians hate the Jews, and let’s be honest here, most Jews are not huge fans of the Palestinians, but at least our baser instincts are kept in check most of the time.
But my point is this. Whether we agree or disagree on the rights of the Jews to settle in the West Bank, that particular area of land is a real thorn in the side of – and particularly grates at and irritates – the Palestinians.
If some radical Christian group chose to build settlements there – they would be equally at risk as the Jews there. The building in the occupied territories is inflammatory. I absolutely know that there are murders of Jews by Palestinians in Israel, but by the same token, not all Palestinians are indiscriminate killers. There are Israeli Arabs who live (and serve in the Israeli army) side by side with the Jews. Many of these Palestinian murderers are just plain “bad” but I’d be willing to hazard a guess that some of them have mental health issues too.
Newshawk – Shindler’s List was about people living entirely unprovocative lives who were murdered JUST because they were Jewish. Those who choose to live in the settlements are making a statement. They are not just saying “we are Jews”, but “this is our land and we refuse to listen to anyone else on this issue” – and that is what makes them different to those Jews who are murdered elsewhere, particularly those who were slaughtered during the Holocaust. You sully the memory of those who did nothing to provoke anyone by linking them with those who choose, through their politics, to provoke the ire of others with deeply ingrained religious and territorial beliefs. To put it another way, I’m a Barrister specialising in Criminal Defence work. If someone was murdered for nothing other than their religion, the tariff on a life sentence would be very severe. It would automatically be less so for someone who murdered someone who had been perceived to have provoked the murderer in some way. It is still murder – and is unforgiveable, but there are risks associated with living in the West Bank, and yet still Jews choose to do so.
Yael – This family was killed there because they had put themselves in a vulnerable suitation – living where there was little protection from the wall. And why? Because they were in the West Bank.
Lynne – Do you really think that this family wasn’t killed because they were Jewish AND in living in the West Bank?
Mike – I know that there are a lot of hurdles in the way of a peace settlement, and that the West Bank isn’t the only issue preventing peace, but building on the West Bank is a HUGE slap in the face to the whole peace process. Adding to the settlements is like constantly picking a scab off a sore. It doesn’t help. Neither do rockets coming over from Gaza. I’m not sure that there will ever be a solution, but you can all identify things which just don’t help.
about 2 years ago
Hi, this family was killed because they were Jewish and they were accessible, just as many Jewish people in Tel Aviv and other central parts of the country have been killed: because they are Jewish and were accessible.
about 2 years ago
DA,
I suspect we are a lot alike. I used to be a lot more like you I suspect.
I gather you are Jewish but not Israeli. Me too. I also think you are working under some incorrect assumptions about the conflict. I used to hold those same views too.
This isn’t really a conflict over some houses in the West bank and Palestinians don’t engage in terror because of the houses. The Palestinians are fighting a war of decolonization and have been for the last 100 years. Tactics vary from group to group and shift over time, but the goal is always the same, force the vast majority of Jews to flee what is now Israel.
It’s no different than what nationalist movements in Algeria and the Congo and lots of other places did, so it should work in Palestine as well.
This isn’t some big secret. Last summer, the Israelis captured a Hamas planning document that laid out a strategy of trying to take control of the West Bank. Once that happened, it called for incessant attacks on Israel, reckoning that that would make life in Israel hell for the Jews and the Jews being cowards, would leave. Hamas has said the same basic thing in other places too.
The boycott Israel people have the same goal, just a different tactic. They view Jews as colonialist settlers who have no national rights anywhere between the Jordan and the Mediterranean. They call for the elimination of Israel — only they would use economic force not military force to accomplish the goal.
Even the PA and Fatah don’t accept Jewish national rights. Hell they won’t even acknowledge Jews constitute a people entitled to national rights.
A lot has been made of the Palestinian papers, but their contents haven’t been accurately reported. The son of some friends of mine is in Israel doing PhD. research on the conflict and has been going through the leaked documents.
One he looked at showed the Palestinian Negotiating Support Unit going through some talking points on why it wouldn’t recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The NSU gave all the usual reasons we have all heard so many times, but there was something else.
The NSU said recognizing Israel as a Jewish state meant recognizing the existence of the Jewish people, and that meant recognizing that Israel had a legitimate claim not just to Israel proper, but to all the land. The Palestinians see this as zero sum; they can’t win unless Israel loses.
So yes, the settlements are a slap in the face to the Palestinians, but not for the reasons you imply. What the settlements represent to the Palestinians is the possibility that another people have a valid claim to land they also claim, and so to get what they want — a state — the Palestinians must compromise.
It also means that giving up the land is a real compromise by Israel and Israel is entitled to something in return — in this case peace. But if the land is stolen and the Jews have no right to it, then the Jews have to give it up, aren’t entitled to anything for it, and should be punished for stealing. I mean that’s what would happen to me if I took something from you right?
After the settlements are gone, the Palestinians can then push for the rest of the country back. You can look at polls and see that the majority of Palestinians view the two-state solution as a stepping stone to a single, Palestinian majority state. PA officials have made this point.
So the settlements represent a real threat to the Palestinians ultimate goal, which is a Palestinian state on all the land. They represent the potential that “Palestine” was home to somebody else before it was home to them, and that those people want to have their own lives on at least some of their former home land. They mean recognizing the potential truth of somebody else’s narrative besides your own. They mean compromise and not getting everything the Palestinians want.
Yes, for there to be peace, many settlements will have to go. But even if they go now, there will not be peace. There can’t be peace until some of the Palestinians underlying attitudes change, and that’s not very likely. People know that and so focus on settlements because they represent an action and actions can be stopped while opinions are harder to change.
But even if all the settlements vanished tomorrow, there would be no peace, and the murders would still happen, because in the end, any Jew living anywhere in Israel is a slap in the face to the Palestinians because they mean that Palestine is home to somebody else too.
Jews will die because right now the Palestinians can’t accept that and they think that by killing Jews, the Jews will be driven out just as the Belgians were driven from the Congo and the French were driven from Algeria.
Sorry, I know you mean well, but you see this conflict as you wish it were, not as it really is.
about 2 years ago
So DA, the solution is “raus Juden”?
This is the Land of Israel. Jews are there because of right.
It is a war situation and this whole issue is not something new. The Palestinians are a cowardly lot because they attack the most vulnerable.
And as is mentioned by others here, if not the so-called “settlements” – Jews building there are not settlers, they are zionists building on the Land of Israel – were the target, then whereever the Israeli border was, would be here target.
The only reason these mumsers are not blowing up bombs in Tel Aviv is because of the IDF.
Unfortunately Israel is absolutely incompetent when it comes to PR and gettiing the truth out.