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Oliver Stone is a nutcase
Oliver Stone has come out with some virulently anti-semitic comments, claiming that Jews control the media, downplayed the Holocaust, defended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and complained about Jewish influence in the United States… oh and has just made a “documentary” placing Hitler and Stalin “in context” as you know they were really just sweet guys with all kinds of good points who were just misunderstood. This isn’t the first time Stone has come out with Hitler-defense statements. Back in January he said, “”Hitler is an easy scapegoat throughout history and it’s been used cheaply. He’s the product of a series of actions. It’s cause and effect.”
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about 1 month ago
Oliver Stone is crazy and disgusting.
about 1 month ago
I can’t say something like this is a big surprise. In the last few years, it’s become increasingly more acceptable to make antisemitic comments as along as you dress them up as being anti-Israel or anti-Zionist. Whenever Jews complain about this, we are told we are being paranoid, trying to be the eternal victims or trying to stifle any debate about Israel.
I mean hell, even tenured professors at place like Harvard and the U. of Chicago write books about how the Israeli lobby controls the United States so it must be true right. Of course what motivates people’s dislike of Israel or Zionism is a basic dislike of Jews.
And that’s what what Stone’s comments reveal. It’s really not about Israel. Sure, there’s the obligatory mention of Israel, but for him it’s “the Jews” that control the media, and of course we Jews become “they,” the other we always have been to Stone. He doesn’t need to hide it anymore because the acceptance of those thinly veiled comments about Jews have moved the edge of what someone can say.
Now someone like Stone can say Jews instead of Israel or Zionists. There might be some commentary about this, but not much. Stone and his supporters will use any complaining by Jews or others as proof he is right. It will also prove good publicity for what is undoubtedly a silly documentary series he is producing for HBO.
I mean this strategy worked great for “Passion of the Christ.” When was the last time anybody saw a movie in Aramaic, and yet by exploiting a controversy over antisemitism, Mel Gibson’s made millions and millions of dollars. So why wouldn’t Stone do it?
Of course Stone, and Gibson, genuinely despise Jews. In fact he has so little regard for Jews that he doesn’t care if he incites hatred, or worse, to make a few extra bucks.
And we Jews can’t win. If we say nothing, we will hear more comments like Stone’s. If we speak out, it will give him the attention he wants and we will hear more comments like Stone’s.
Sure Stone is crazy, but that doesn’t mean he’s stupid.
about 1 month ago
You have put your finger on something bigger than Oliver Stone! It is the American left at its ugliest!
Personally, I am not left or right, I am for what is good for the country in which I live, no matter if it comes from the right or from the left. I apply this same idea to two countries that are dear to me: Israel and the USA.
In the USA, a big part of what is called the left has lost touch with reality and, by doing so, they have started to adopt extreme positions as if it was normal to do so!
This trend can even be seen in religion. Be it Jewish or Christian religions, the tendency to abandon basic principles to be more “inclusive” is one way toward adopting the position of the more extremes, no matter the fact that these extremes are a minority. I will not be more specific but you probably see what I refer to.
The same trend is seen outside of religion and Oliver Stone is a good example. The same trend is put to the test daily with Israel where basically the falsification of truth is adopted concerning Israel to support deception and hate of the Jewish people only because the Jewish people is Jewish! It applies especially to history and to the false claims the so-called Palestinians make regularly about their supposed entitlement to the land of Israel when Israel was just completely empty of inhabitants during the Palestine of the British Mandate when all this area became the State of Israel and when Jews started to move back to their ancestral land.
I see this duality as the duality between evil and good. Evil being this behavior of adopting the extremes even when reason tells us it is plain wrong and good when one has the courage to say NO when NO is required!
In case of Oliver Stone, why does he adopt these extremes? To please the Muslim minority in the USA and all over in the Western World (Europe, etc.)! By believing their propaganda when we have been there, seen that long ago!!!
Take care, Yael. I hope you are well, and in good health and as much happy as you can.
I send love to the Land of Israel and to the Jewish people.
about 1 month ago
It took you this many years to figure that Oliver Stone is a nutcase?
Oh, that’s right… This is the first time he has attacked the Jews.
Before that, as long as he didn’t attack the Jews, he was okay.
about 1 month ago
Some times a person who makes anti-Semitic comments aren’t “Nut Jobs.” They are just horrible people.
In the case of Oliver Stone, I have seen a couple of his movies. He IS a nut job.
about 1 month ago
Wipe Out, I am with you. I am not Left or Right, I just try to figure out which candidate most closely matches my own ideas and philosophy.
about 1 month ago
One more idiot from Hollywood who thinks now is the time to join in the fashionable again anti-semitism.
about 1 month ago
Yes it does appear that anti-semitism has become fashionable again, doesn’t it? It is extremely disturbing.
I remember like 5 years ago I was talking about the increasing feelings of being free to blatantly express anti-semitism in Europe, and my sense that it would spread to the U.S. and a lot of my (mostly Jewish) commenters were like, no way this would never happen in the U.S.
But what motivated me to finally pick up and move here was the discovery that a set of longtime friends held deeply antisemitic beliefs beneath their polite, liberal, and multi-cultural embracing facade. They were the the proverbial last straw. With my Heidi looks I had a lifetime of hearing the anti-semitic sentiments people refrained from expressing around their obviously jewish acquaintances and friends but I’ll tell you that the last 10 years that I was in the U.S. (dividing my time between the U.S. and Germany actually), I was sensing a real change in tenor certainly in Europe but also in the U.S. –not coming from America’s heartland but among the intellectual and liberal ‘elite.’ It quite honestly frightened me because what history tells us is that when it becomes acceptable, fashionable, to express those hidden sentiments openly what generally follows are pogroms, expulsions, and so forth.
Paranoid? Perhaps. But as the old saying goes, just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you. I do know that when that last straw got pulled I recognized that i no longer felt safe in the U.S. –I didn’t feel endangered in the “right now” but those dark storm clouds that I saw brewing in Europe and slowly wafting across the Atlantic made me very afraid for the future there.
about 1 month ago
Some of this anti-semitism comes from American Jews. The biggest self loathing backstabbers in the world.
Made me understand that there’s two kinds of Jews.
about 1 month ago
Steve, probably more than two kinds. Though there are cultural commonalities, the Jewish people are like people everywhere, a mixture of many different kinds of folks.
about 1 month ago
I am tired of people calling “Passion of the Christ” antisemitic.
While I don’t want to go into a long religious explanation here the Bible says that Christ freely gave up His life. He had a choice. Saying that the Jews killed Him would negate all of that.
If anything the film would make you anti-Roman. But again that would go against scripture.
“Passion of the Christ” was one of the most beautiful films in history and had nothing to do with Jews except for the fact that our savior was a Jew himself.
about 1 month ago
Lynne you have to understand there is a group of Jews in America, a large group of Jews who are politically involved in politics in the evil progressive movement and has done great damage to our country. Sure not all progressives are Jews but most Jews in America are progressive.
As a group they have been responsible for electing two Muslims (at least that I know of) one of these against an opponent who was a Jew himself.
I know it sounds ironic that Jews are responsible for electing Muslims, but that has been the case.
These are Lox and Bagel Jews, many if not most of whom don’t practice the Jewish religion. You won’t find them in temple, in fact many if not all of them mock religion of all forms.
Remember how many Jews vote for Obama. He has at least two Jews in important positions. And he has nominated a Lox and Bagel Jew for the Supreme Court with her wild unamerican notions of Government.
Now I also also believe in another kind of Jew. the “Chosen people” religious Jew. They have produced the best of humanity.
With Jews it seems all one way or the other. They are the best of people, they are the worse of people.
about 1 month ago
Hi Yaeli,
I wish I could say you were paranoid, but I cant. The best I can say is that while things aren’t going well, the situation in the United States isn’t hopeless. Unfortunately, older groups like the ADL don’t seem up to taking on the new antisemitism that comes dressed as anti-Israelism or anti-Zionism.
Progressives certainly are the main proponents of this new antisemitism, but the progressive movement is small. There are a number of Jews in the progressive movement, but they represent a relatively small percentage of Jews. Most Jews vote for Democrats, but there is a difference between progressives and Democrats or even liberals.
The problem is that those Democrats outside the progressive movement, and that’s most Democrats including Obama, are unwilling to confront the new anti-Semites because the progressives are needed to advance more mainstream Democratic issues that have nothing to do with Jews or Israel. Most Jews don’t force the issue because for a lot of reasons Jews typically want to keep a low profile.
If you think this a partisan or liberal problem then ask yourself when was the last time you heard the Republican Party speak out against Pat Buchanan for his antisemitism. The Republicans are equally unwilling to risk their larger agenda in a battle their own antisemitic elements.
Turning Israel and antisemitism into a partisan issue will cause nothing but problems for Israel and Jews. The goal should be to get the more mainstream elements of both parties to push back against new-style and old-style anti-Semites.
Right now Jews in the United States are somewhat encircled facing the new antisemitism of the far left and the traditional antisemitism of the far right and an apathetic middle more interested in other issues. It’s not a good situation.
Because of my name, which sounds Italian to most people, I like Yaeli know what people say about Jews when they don’t think no Jews are in the room. It ranges from the stupid to the evil.
Yaeli, I would be interested to hear about the opinions of those who made you decide to leave for Israel, but I also understand if you don’t want to write about that.
Later
about 1 month ago
All liberals are progressives.
All elected Democrats are progressives.
about 1 month ago
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/indians-abroad/Indian-American-Muslim-chosen-mayor-of-Jew-dominated-US-town/articleshow/6141325.cms
about 1 month ago
When Jews keep doing stuff like at the link above, how do you expect people NOT to be antisemitic?
about 1 month ago
I don’t want to get into some big flame war with anybody, but liberals and progressives are not the same, and certainly not all elected democrats are progressives.
I don’t think anybody would mistake Wyoming’s governor for a progressive or even a liberal. Same goes for Walt Minnick, a Democrat from Idaho in the U.S. House. None of the Blue Dogs are progressive. I could go on.
Again, making Israel and Jews a partisan issue is bad for Israel and the Jews. No party will ever have a monopoly on power in the United States, so if these issues become partisan, we will end up with a hostile administration or congress half the time.
The only thing worse would be to convince people that all Muslims are our enemy. So a town with a large Jewish population has a Muslim mayor. Has he said anything antisemitic? I see no evidence of it. Jews and Muslims can and do get along. Go look at Irshad Manji’s Web site.
I’m sorry but we Jews have enough real enemies; we don’t need to go around creating more of them just to suit somebody else’s political agenda.
about 1 month ago
Steve, I am at a loss to understand why you find it offensive that people can judge each other based on their worth and not based on negative stereotypes. You know, all that Dr. Martin Luther King asked was that people be judged on the basis of their character and not the color of their skin (or other stereotypes).
about 1 month ago
Still it’s not really good to elect a bunch of Muslims at this time in our history.
Jews have aided in this twice now. I should say twice that I know of.
about 1 month ago
Muslims serve in the IDF, in border police units, and in the Israeli diplomatic corps.
It’s important to distinguish between Muslims and Islamists. They aren’t the same.
Shalom/Salaam
about 1 month ago
Well said Mike and exactly so.
about 1 month ago
Mike, you are right and thank you for clarifying that point. There is a vast difference between Muslims and Islamists. Muslims are a valued and respected part of the rich fabric of Israeli life.
about 1 month ago
Perhaps BOTH Jews and Muslims are America’s enemy.
about 1 month ago
Steve, good grief.
I just don’t think that it is possible to judge an entire group of people by a set of criteria. People are too different within the group. Here in the US, we should know that best of all; we are a diverse group.
about 1 month ago
WipeOutHamasOnceAndForAll said:
I apply this same idea to two countries that are dear to me: Israel and the USA.
Yeah, but which one IS MORE DEAR?
No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other; you will be devoted to one and despise the other.
Same thing goes with loyalty to countries, can’t be loyal to more than one, as countries are obviously going to have divergence of interests from time to time.
Your loyalty SHOULD BE with the country you are a citizen of. If you can’t in your heart have such loyalty, then you need to renounce your citizenship and become a citizen of the county you are really loyal to.
So, Israel or the United States? In the end I really don’t care which country you choose (too much) but be like Yael here and MAKE A CHOICE!
about 1 month ago
Lynne if a whole group of people act in such a matter then I believe that it is right to judge an entire group of people, understanding that you might occasionally find people of the group that aren’t like the group in general.
Look how the Jews overwhelmingly support Progressivism and in this case Obama. Surely we can make a general statement about the Jews in general, or at least American Jews. When they act like a group, when they themselves use their group for certain purposes, then they should be treated as a group.
Now there are some good Jews in America. About 30 percent or so. But as a group, as a group of people who identify themselves as being a group, Jews in America has harmed my government, my political system greatly.
Among the many things they have done they endorsed a Muslim against one of the relatively small segment of good Jews in America for US Congress. The Muslim won and became the first Muslim in Congress in American history (unfortunately probably not the last). They endorsed and helped an Muslim even though it meant betraying a Jew to do so.
about 1 month ago
Gee Yaeli, I wonder why you moved to Israel?
Shalom/Salaam