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weigh in: U.S. going socialist?
“We are all socialist now,” was Newsweek’s cover story a couple of weeks ago, referring to the mood of American public opinion these days. Whether we admit it or not, the weekly’s editors wrote, America at this time is moving towards becoming a European-style socialist country: “the America of 2009 is moving toward a modern European state.”
It has only been what, not quite 4 years, since I was last in the U.S. and certainly at that time, nothing about the U.S. even vaguely approached socialist anything. Some of the things I found seriously lacking in the U.S. were things like socialized medicine with good health care for all (meaning the Israeli or German version, not the “European” in general because the Brits have a terrible healthcare system going on personal experience). Is it possible, however, that things have changed so radically in such a short time? The article points to things like the nationalization of banking and mortgage industries as an indication that the U.S. is already basically “socialist” or fast-becoming. It seems difficult for me to wrap my mind around the idea of the U.S. not being “do or die capitalists.”
What do you guys think? Have things really changed so much, has public opinion really shifted to such an extent…?
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about 1 year ago
Well, the Democrat leadership seems full on destined to try their hardest to make the U.S. into a European state and the majority of the media is doing their best to ignore it. I’m continually stunned by the absolute ignorance of FAR too many voters that vote for these people and have NO clue as to what they stand for. They vote from emotion and not substance. “Change” is a big, warm, and fluffy word that gets them all stirred up without every stopping to ask one fundamental question. Change to what?
Most people I talk to or hear interviewed are not socialist here and when it comes down to it, would resist that “change”. Most want less Gov’t, not more. I do see more moderate candidates being elected into the Dem party but the leadership is still far-left. I predict that if they are succesfull in things that they trying to do and getting the results that inevitably come with mass socialism, there will be a slaughter in the next election.
about 1 year ago
Hmmm… that would be “without EVER stopping”. Lol
about 1 year ago
I am opposed to socialism based on the philosophy of Max Webber, who stated that socialism would increase bureaucracy—not a good thing. In fact, the US has a system which is too bureaucratic. It seems though that many people—Americans—want the government to take over more and more aspects of their lives and may prefer a bureaucratic system. Not me though. I prefer less government, not more. True, the government can provide more services but we will pay more taxes and the services that are provided by the government may not be first quality. Some countries have almost a dual system of government and privately provided services.
about 1 year ago
Having lived in Europe for half of my life and then in the United States I think I am in a good position to comment on that: the U.S. are not yet European, and, G-d willing, will hopefully never become European. European, that means that government is seen as the salvation, the solution of all problems, as the great determinator of what people may do, feel, and believe.
In Europe government determines what is good for the subjects. It pretends that it knows better what to do with the money people earn, how people should spend their time, what they should eat and so on.
In America, freedom always meant freedom of choice. Here we are supposed to make decisions ourselves, and bear the responsibility for those decisions.
And here it is true, the new government is on a radical course towards Europeanism. The new administration consists of many people who think that government knows better. Not so much economically (here the government basically admits it is as clueless as the rest of the world about what to do), but very much when it comes to individual choice. In New York City for example mayor Bloomberg thinks he must tell people what they have to eat. Many state colleges and schools are telling people what to think instead of promoting debate.
However, the current debate about “going socialist” is about the wrong things. It is focused on the bank bailout and Obama’s economic program.
Some right-wing people are crying “socialism” because the government is bailing out banks or insurance companies. The wisdom of that is questionable, of course, but government has an obligation to step in when the economic and social fabric of the country is at stake. And it somehow seems those who cry loudest also hold out their hands highest to receive government money.
It has nothing to do with socialism when the government insists on the old very capitalist rule: He who pays also decides. It has nothing to do with socialism if government bails out failing a bank and then demands a say in its affairs. That is capitalism: the government bought a bank, so it is the boss.
The hysterical criticism of anything like universal healthcare is also not to be taken seriously. The United States are not the only country with a failing health care system, someone mentioned Britain, I have seen socialist medicine at work in Mexico and Italy and thanked G-d I never got sick in those countries. Even the German system is breaking apart. Today it seems the Swiss system is working best, but no system is perfect. I personally think it is in the best interest of the country, capitalist and all, to have a system that guarantees every citizen affordable and effective healthcare. It will be a tough fight to find a system that is fair. But that does not mean that universal healthcare is “socialist”, or, if you want to call it socialist, that it is bad.
So, are we soon to be singing the “Internationale” and celebrate Karl Marx’ birthday? No, we are far from it. But it pays to watch the steps towards Europeanization carefully: our individual liberty is at stake. I am much more concerned about the “thought police” appearing everywhere than about some higher taxes to fix the economic mess.
about 1 year ago
We are almost totally socialist now.
And we are all anti Israel.
Welcome to the NEW America.
about 1 year ago
Curiosity and fear are ways to guide people, and Newsweek wants to sell a lot of magazines.
It is not heaven here in The Netherlands, if there in the States would have been a system like ours a lot of people would have had a better life.
about 1 year ago
Mongrel, I enjoyed my visit to the Netherlands a few years ago. It is my favorite place in Europe. The culture, the friendliness of the people I met, the appreciation of the arts were all attractive features. I’d like to know more about the system of government there, the healthcare system, and your perspective on the major issues facing The Netherlands today.
about 1 year ago
I have to agree that, as a new olah, I love our health care system here in Israel. On the other hand, I can’t quite wrap my head around the fact that everything is so expensive (thanks to higher taxes) and yet we earn less. I know this wasn’t the question, but I’m kind of trying to figure out if I like Israeli-style socialism.
And I agree with you that the US can’t possibly be there yet. If the US is going socialist, it’s doing so without any of the social services and all of the financial burden… ouch.
Btw, I really like your perspective in this blog… it’s refreshing to read a take from another a-typical olah. Please check out my blog and consider adding it to your blogroll! I’m going to add yours so I can keep checking out this blog.
about 1 year ago
Maya — linked
Yeah that whole really high tax combined with really low salary thing is so not cool. It isn’t really the healthcare/social programs that suck all the taxes away, it is the need to spend so much on the military and to support large groups of people (mainly though not exclusively, the Haredim) who give nothing in return to the country. I so have no problem paying higher taxes to support people who have done their national or military service and who lose their jobs or can’t work as a result of injury or illness or old age or what have you but people who not only don’t serve but refuse to work…that grips me in all the wrong places!
about 1 year ago
What I would like to know is: how is the US going to AFFORD to provide a proper healthcare system to its citizens?
about 1 year ago
I’ll think about it.
about 1 year ago
When you pass the food lines, realize that REAL unemployment is in double-digets, know that over 60 banks have already failed this year, that most of the country can’t afford health-care, that school budgets are busted and cites broke, you realize American capitalism – especially Reagan/Bush economics was a disaster – so most people are simply saying ‘what else we got to lose? It’s worth a try.’