Comments on: Al Qaeda Extremists have infiltrated UK police force? http://olehgirl.com/?p=882 OlehGirl.com Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:26:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Brenda Landes http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-20364 Brenda Landes Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:09:52 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-20364 Well done Yael. We need more voices coming out of Israel to state Israel's position/ Why are suicide bombers in the West called terrorists by the BBC World Service and in Israel have often been referred to as freedom fighters and gorrillas.? Hopefully one day there will be peace and a Palestinian State will exist side by side with Israel, as Mulems and Jews lived in harmony during the Golden Age in Spain. British foreign policy in Iraq and Israel is not behind the heinous acts of Muslem terrorists, but a desire to impose Sharia on the West, and to kill anyone opposed to this can be legitimized. The Hammas captors of the British journalist in Gaza admitted this to him. Brenda Landes Israel Well done Yael. We need more voices coming out of Israel to state Israel’s position/

Why are suicide bombers in the West called terrorists by the BBC World Service
and in Israel have often been referred to as freedom fighters and gorrillas.?

Hopefully one day there will be peace and a Palestinian State will exist side by side with Israel, as Mulems and Jews lived in harmony during the Golden Age in Spain.

British foreign policy in Iraq and Israel is not behind the heinous acts of Muslem terrorists, but a desire to impose Sharia on the West, and to kill anyone opposed to this can be legitimized. The Hammas captors of the British journalist in Gaza admitted this to him.

Brenda Landes
Israel

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Isreal: Al Qaeda Supporters Among UK Police http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17965 Global Voices Online » Isreal: Al Qaeda Supporters Among UK Police Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:56:34 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17965 [...] Yael from Israel links to to article claiming that Al Qaeda sympathizers have infiltrated the UK police force. Share This [...] [...] Yael from Israel links to to article claiming that Al Qaeda sympathizers have infiltrated the UK police force. Share This [...]

]]> By: Anonymouse Coweird http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17847 Anonymouse Coweird Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:58:39 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17847 Fair enough. John, my apologies for personalizing the discussion. I'm afraid I've been coarsened by the rough-and-tumble so common elsewhere on these intertubes. Fair enough. John, my apologies for personalizing the discussion. I’m afraid I’ve been coarsened by the rough-and-tumble so common elsewhere on these intertubes.

]]> By: Yael http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17813 Yael Sun, 08 Jul 2007 08:23:43 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17813 Yes absolutely civility to one another even when we disagree is extremely important, my Ema stated that well :) John has shown himself over time to be a very sensitive and open-minded person as well as one with a great deal of experience living in different cultures and his view is always good to hear, even when I, personally, do not agree with it. I think what John is getting at is that it is extremely difficult, perhaps even impossible, to know if you've got a radical terrorist in your midst and is thus taking the most protective stance possible. Terrorists have become quite sophisticated in order to be able to successfully carry out their terrorist attacks and thus they are using people who carefully hide their beliefs and blend seamlessly with the neighbors. The majority of the doctors arrested, for instance, had not been visibly involved in any sort of extremist activities, they did not run around expressing extremist views. Terrorists are recruiting more and more converts who don't look like they come from the ME to carry out attacks (Richard Reid, for instance, and the couple of women from Belgium and Holland who were to carry out suicide attacks in Iraq). But you can't simply ban people from professions based on their religion. John -- here in Israel we do, in fact, have Arab-Israelis in our police force, in our border patrol, in the Shabak, and in the Mossad. Yes absolutely civility to one another even when we disagree is extremely important, my Ema stated that well :) John has shown himself over time to be a very sensitive and open-minded person as well as one with a great deal of experience living in different cultures and his view is always good to hear, even when I, personally, do not agree with it.

I think what John is getting at is that it is extremely difficult, perhaps even impossible, to know if you’ve got a radical terrorist in your midst and is thus taking the most protective stance possible. Terrorists have become quite sophisticated in order to be able to successfully carry out their terrorist attacks and thus they are using people who carefully hide their beliefs and blend seamlessly with the neighbors. The majority of the doctors arrested, for instance, had not been visibly involved in any sort of extremist activities, they did not run around expressing extremist views. Terrorists are recruiting more and more converts who don’t look like they come from the ME to carry out attacks (Richard Reid, for instance, and the couple of women from Belgium and Holland who were to carry out suicide attacks in Iraq).

But you can’t simply ban people from professions based on their religion.

John — here in Israel we do, in fact, have Arab-Israelis in our police force, in our border patrol, in the Shabak, and in the Mossad.

]]> By: lynne http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17775 lynne Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:35:44 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17775 Please cut John some slack here. I believe that he is speaking of extremists here only. The recent polls that have come out in the UK and US are alarming many people, like John, who are getting the impression that all Muslims hold extremist views (that is not the case, as you point out). The Muslims who do support terrorism and participate in rioting and destruction of property are giving innocent Muslims a bad name. A few days ago, a Muslim doctor in the US spoke out forcefully against the Muslim doctors involved in the recent terrorist attacks in the UK. And, as you say, many people quietly disagree within their families or communities. We may certainly disagree here on many matters on this blog, but I do think it is very important to remain civil and polite---to listen to each other and to share our views---even when we disagree very strongly. John, we have many Muslim and Arab friends who are as concerned as you are-- and we all-- are about extremism. So, I think that you struck a nerve with Yaeli. Within Israel, many of Israel's strongest supports are Arab-Israelis. I am glad to read your comments, John, even when I do not agree with you. Please cut John some slack here. I believe that he is speaking of extremists here only. The recent polls that have come out in the UK and US are alarming many people, like John, who are getting the impression that all Muslims hold extremist views (that is not the case, as you point out). The Muslims who do support terrorism and participate in rioting and destruction of property are giving innocent Muslims a bad name. A few days ago, a Muslim doctor in the US spoke out forcefully against the Muslim doctors involved in the recent terrorist attacks in the UK. And, as you say, many people quietly disagree within their families or communities.
We may certainly disagree here on many matters on this blog, but I do think it is very important to remain civil and polite—to listen to each other and to share our views—even when we disagree very strongly.
John, we have many Muslim and Arab friends who are as concerned as you are– and we all– are about extremism. So, I think that you struck a nerve with Yaeli. Within Israel, many of Israel’s strongest supports are Arab-Israelis. I am glad to read your comments, John, even when I do not agree with you.

]]> By: Anonymouse Coweird http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17773 Anonymouse Coweird Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:03:11 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17773 Yael - check your email. John - have you stopped beating your wife? What, in your view, would constitute "clear and convincing proof" beyond the vast majority of Muslims in Western societies doing what they do, exactly the same as the vast majority of non-Muslims in Western societies, which is go to work, try to pay the bills, take care of the kids, etc. I have no idea what religion or ethnic group you may belong to, but the probability approaches unity that whatever it is, at some point some people have committed some kind of atrocity in its name. Have you issued a press release each and every time that happened denouncing it? No? Well, so much for clear and convincing proof that you actively support Western freedom and values. Yael – check your email.

John – have you stopped beating your wife? What, in your view, would constitute “clear and convincing proof” beyond the vast majority of Muslims in Western societies doing what they do, exactly the same as the vast majority of non-Muslims in Western societies, which is go to work, try to pay the bills, take care of the kids, etc.

I have no idea what religion or ethnic group you may belong to, but the probability approaches unity that whatever it is, at some point some people have committed some kind of atrocity in its name. Have you issued a press release each and every time that happened denouncing it? No? Well, so much for clear and convincing proof that you actively support Western freedom and values.

]]> By: John http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17772 John Sun, 08 Jul 2007 01:41:41 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17772 Why should that come as a surprise? First the scientists and scholars, then the doctors, now the police. It is pretty obvious that British society slowly but certainly is being infiltrated and undermined by muslims. There is no reason to assume that while the infiltration has happened in the National Health Service that the police or even the army or the intelligence services have not been affected. And, to provoke more thought, why should there be no problem in having a muslim police force in Britain when it is considered unthinkable in Israel? Or, in other words, can anyone conceive a muslim head of Shabak, of Israel Police, or Mossad? Or muslim officers in the Border Police? No? Of course not. So why should that be no problem in Britain? As long as there is no clear and convincing proof that muslims in the Western societies actively support the freedom and values of these societies that always will be a problem. And that clear and convincing proof so far is nowhere to be seen. Why should that come as a surprise? First the scientists and scholars, then the doctors, now the police. It is pretty obvious that British society slowly but certainly is being infiltrated and undermined by muslims. There is no reason to assume that while the infiltration has happened in the National Health Service that the police or even the army or the intelligence services have not been affected.

And, to provoke more thought, why should there be no problem in having a muslim police force in Britain when it is considered unthinkable in Israel? Or, in other words, can anyone conceive a muslim head of Shabak, of Israel Police, or Mossad? Or muslim officers in the Border Police? No? Of course not. So why should that be no problem in Britain?

As long as there is no clear and convincing proof that muslims in the Western societies actively support the freedom and values of these societies that always will be a problem. And that clear and convincing proof so far is nowhere to be seen.

]]> By: Yael http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17700 Yael Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:49:48 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17700 AC --very true. BTW I got you the last copy of "the book" that was at the campus bookstore. Can you send me your snail address so I can mail it to you? :) Noa -- exactly. It did get picked up by all the other press after it came out in the DM but they may or may not just be piggybacking on the DM story. AC –very true. BTW I got you the last copy of “the book” that was at the campus bookstore. Can you send me your snail address so I can mail it to you? :)

Noa — exactly. It did get picked up by all the other press after it came out in the DM but they may or may not just be piggybacking on the DM story.

]]> By: noa http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17686 noa Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:11:45 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17686 I agree with Coweird, the Daily Mail is not exactly known for reputable journalism. It is a comic book compared to the broadsheets. I don't know what the equivalent in the US would be, but really you do have to be rather careful with believing the British media. Having said that, there may be a bit of fire attached to this smoke. I agree with Coweird, the Daily Mail is not exactly known for reputable journalism. It is a comic book compared to the broadsheets. I don’t know what the equivalent in the US would be, but really you do have to be rather careful with believing the British media.

Having said that, there may be a bit of fire attached to this smoke.

]]> By: Anonymouse Coweird http://olehgirl.com/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-17680 Anonymouse Coweird Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:19:22 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=882#comment-17680 C'mon, people, it's <i>The Daily Mail</i>. If they reported that water was wet I'd take a drink to check. C’mon, people, it’s The Daily Mail. If they reported that water was wet I’d take a drink to check.

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