Comments on: Polish church: “The kikes will not continue to spit on us” http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051 OlehGirl.com Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:26:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Yael http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74837 Yael Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:06:32 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74837 Mac --hey no need to apologize for other people's craziness, it is no reflection on you! But I do know what you mean because every time I hear of some incident involving a Jew who behaved in a bad way it just makes me cringe. John -- the Poles are an interesting case and very difficult for me to understand and the Ukranians even more so. I have a far easier time understanding the German responses and culture of today. Velvel -- don't do that when I'm drinking coffee at my computer! lol. Mac –hey no need to apologize for other people’s craziness, it is no reflection on you! But I do know what you mean because every time I hear of some incident involving a Jew who behaved in a bad way it just makes me cringe.

John — the Poles are an interesting case and very difficult for me to understand and the Ukranians even more so. I have a far easier time understanding the German responses and culture of today.

Velvel — don’t do that when I’m drinking coffee at my computer! lol.

]]> By: Mac http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74660 Mac Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:52:37 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74660 Some people are just stupid, even Christians! I am a Christian and I agnolgize this..... Some people are just stupid, even Christians! I am a Christian and I agnolgize this…..

]]> By: Church Sponsored AntiSemitism - “Almost a Pogrom” « Thoughts from a Rabbi http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74441 Church Sponsored AntiSemitism - “Almost a Pogrom” « Thoughts from a Rabbi Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:39:35 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74441 [...] OlehGirl [...] [...] OlehGirl [...]

]]> By: velvel in decatur http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74438 velvel in decatur Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:24:13 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74438 Were I not a decent sort I would ask where the "professor" received his certificates: off the bottom of a box of cookies? Were I not a decent sort I would ask the "professor" why his countrymen fell in step with the Hitlerites during the war and then whined when the Stalinistas took them over after the war. But I am a decent sort so I will merely ask him what septic tank he sups from. Were I not a decent sort I would ask where the “professor” received his certificates: off the bottom of a box of cookies?
Were I not a decent sort I would ask the “professor” why his countrymen fell in step with the Hitlerites during the war and then whined when the Stalinistas took them over after the war.
But I am a decent sort so I will merely ask him what septic tank he sups from.

]]> By: John http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74381 John Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:41:25 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74381 Poland is a really interesting case. I have some very good and very young Polish friends, living in Poland, who are more of the liberal persuasion, since they also lived in the U.S. and have seen some parts of the world. However, even with them I cannot have a discussion about either Russia, Germany or the Jews. These are traumatic topics to them and they block any attempt to talk about it. I have seen the same reaction in many Germans. To me it is a show of bad conscience. Of course, there are others then who don't think they need to have a bad conscience but who proudly tout the fact that yes there is and always has been anti-Semitism in Poland. I always thought it was a big irony of history that Hitler and the Germans despised Poles as much as Jews, otherwise they could have been really good allies. Now, what should we say? I still think that this part of the Polish people are fighting yesterday's wars. The church and the very conservative parts of the rural population are very afraid of the changing times in Poland that came with the membership in the EU and their exposure to Western European moral indifference. So they look for a handy scapegoat: the Jews. In Poland's case this looks to me more like the whistling in the dark. I am much more concerned about Britain or France where I feel the anti-Semitism is something new and not born out of old fears. They adopt it out of convenience to appease the increasing muslim parts of their societies. To me that is much more dangerous. Poland is a really interesting case. I have some very good and very young Polish friends, living in Poland, who are more of the liberal persuasion, since they also lived in the U.S. and have seen some parts of the world. However, even with them I cannot have a discussion about either Russia, Germany or the Jews. These are traumatic topics to them and they block any attempt to talk about it. I have seen the same reaction in many Germans. To me it is a show of bad conscience.
Of course, there are others then who don’t think they need to have a bad conscience but who proudly tout the fact that yes there is and always has been anti-Semitism in Poland. I always thought it was a big irony of history that Hitler and the Germans despised Poles as much as Jews, otherwise they could have been really good allies.

Now, what should we say? I still think that this part of the Polish people are fighting yesterday’s wars. The church and the very conservative parts of the rural population are very afraid of the changing times in Poland that came with the membership in the EU and their exposure to Western European moral indifference. So they look for a handy scapegoat: the Jews. In Poland’s case this looks to me more like the whistling in the dark.

I am much more concerned about Britain or France where I feel the anti-Semitism is something new and not born out of old fears. They adopt it out of convenience to appease the increasing muslim parts of their societies. To me that is much more dangerous.

]]> By: Yael http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74367 Yael Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:02:36 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74367 W.M. --the fact that there was a pogrom in Kielce following the Second World War is a well-known and documented fact. The fact that returning Jews were beaten, threatened and killed in other regions of Poland, individual acts of violence not as a pogrom, is well-documented. During the war the AK killed fellow partisans who they discovered to be Jewish. There was a great deal of anti-semitism in Poland. Not all Poles were anti-semitic certainly and there were many Poles who risked their lives and gave their lives trying to help their Polish neighbors who happened to be Jews. Those who were silent and those who actively turned in and turned upon their neighbors were a much higher percentage of the population than those who gave aid, however. W.M. –the fact that there was a pogrom in Kielce following the Second World War is a well-known and documented fact. The fact that returning Jews were beaten, threatened and killed in other regions of Poland, individual acts of violence not as a pogrom, is well-documented. During the war the AK killed fellow partisans who they discovered to be Jewish. There was a great deal of anti-semitism in Poland. Not all Poles were anti-semitic certainly and there were many Poles who risked their lives and gave their lives trying to help their Polish neighbors who happened to be Jews. Those who were silent and those who actively turned in and turned upon their neighbors were a much higher percentage of the population than those who gave aid, however.

]]> By: W.M http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74362 W.M Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:37:32 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74362 Me again. There wasn,t any posters against Jews (any foto???). Belive me, I was there, and I write about it on My blog (in Polish): 1) About lies in the article: http://muchanadziko.salon24.pl/60632,index.html 2) Truth about the meeting: http://muchanadziko.salon24.pl/60654,index.html 3) About English version of the false (!!!) article in haaretz http://muchanadziko.salon24.pl/60888,index.html REGARDS W.M Me again.

There wasn,t any posters against Jews (any foto???).

Belive me, I was there, and I write about it on My blog (in Polish):

1) About lies in the article:

http://muchanadziko.salon24.pl/60632,index.html

2) Truth about the meeting:

http://muchanadziko.salon24.pl/60654,index.html

3) About English version of the false (!!!) article in haaretz
http://muchanadziko.salon24.pl/60888,index.html

REGARDS

W.M

]]> By: W.M http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74361 W.M Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:33:28 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74361 This article is a piece of lies. Is written by "Gazeta Wyborcza" - who is totally unbelievable newspaper, and case Its all about the Jan Tomas Gross Book "Fear"(Jan Gross is a friend of Adam Michnik, Jew, the director of the newspaper) The discussion in church Was about lies in this ("Fear") book, many of them. Of course "Gazeta" didn't say a word about It. It wasn't any antisemitic incident, only words to Polish Jews were: "Please, say to Jan Tomas Gross, and people who stands behind Him: >LEAVE POLES ALONE, LEAVE US (Polish Jews) ALONE!!! WE LIVE HERE IN PEACE, AND LEAVE US ALONE This article is a piece of lies. Is written by “Gazeta Wyborcza” – who is totally unbelievable newspaper, and case Its all about the Jan Tomas Gross Book “Fear”(Jan Gross is a friend of Adam Michnik, Jew, the director of the newspaper)

The discussion in church Was about lies in this (“Fear”) book, many of them. Of course “Gazeta” didn’t say a word about It.

It wasn’t any antisemitic incident, only words to Polish Jews were:

“Please, say to Jan Tomas Gross, and people who stands behind Him: >LEAVE POLES ALONE, LEAVE US (Polish Jews) ALONE!!! WE LIVE HERE IN PEACE, AND LEAVE US ALONE

]]> By: lynne http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051&cpage=1#comment-74134 lynne Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:23:27 +0000 http://olehgirl.com/?p=1051#comment-74134 Hey, those bitter diatribes and slogans have convinced me, too. No anti-semitism in Poland, yeah, right! Hey, those bitter diatribes and slogans have convinced me, too. No anti-semitism in Poland, yeah, right!

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